Check the battery life. I had hopes for this camera, might even buy it regardless because as far as I can see it has evey aspect I want in mirrorless including a true flip-screen (thanks Cannon!) but the battery life…

if the posted info of Battery Life (CIPA) 250 is correct, it’s atrocious… and confusing. The decision to use the LPE17 battery only to loose a small amount of weight in the body is a dumb decision imho.

Time will tell if users find this limiting but if you shoot stills + video, then you probably know what I mean. Say hello to carrying at least 3 batteries for a day of shooting (which counteracts the benefit of the weightloss in the design)

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Rawpaul
• Senior Member • Posts: 2,562

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

In reply to wootpile
• Feb 14, 2019

wootpile wrote:

Fro said in his video that he could get 500 images on one charge

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walter g1
• Senior Member • Posts: 1,026

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

In reply to wootpile
• Feb 14, 2019

wootpile wrote:

Jared Polin was averaging 500 shots per charge shooting stills only. Not great but doable. Video is going to be the main problem.

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Ed Wren
• Forum Member • Posts: 97

How are CIPA shots calculated when there’s no built-in flash?

In reply to wootpile
• Feb 14, 2019

It was my understanding that the CIPA rating was with half the shots using the built-in flash. If this was measured at just 250 with no flash used at all, then the uplift experienced in normal usage will be less compared to a camera with a built-in flash.

edit: 210 shots using EVF is awful, though. Shouldn’t the battery life be higher using the EVF vs the LCD? Apparently it’s lower on the R, too, but only to 350 vs. 370

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Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

In reply to wootpile
• Feb 14, 2019

wootpile wrote:

More than capacity, I had stability issues with some LP-E17 batteries. It would die then after I remove and re-insert, it tells me it still has 30% or so left.

It drains faster when being used for video and long exposure photography. However, for stills alone, it’s very decent on my M5. It would last 80% as long as my 80D used to, as long as I don’t preview images too much and don’t do a lot of videos. And since I have two spares, I’m good with the RP.

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walter g1
• Senior Member • Posts: 1,026

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

Noogy wrote:

wootpile wrote:

More than capacity, I had stability issues with some LP-E17 batteries. It would die then after I remove and re-insert, it tells me it still has 30% or so left.

Thanks, good to know. I was planning on using the RP mostly for stills, and was planning on buying 2 extra batteries.

Have you tried Wasabi batteries on your M5, or do I need to stick to Canon batteries.

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Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

walter g1 wrote:

Noogy wrote:

wootpile wrote:

More than capacity, I had stability issues with some LP-E17 batteries. It would die then after I remove and re-insert, it tells me it still has 30% or so left.

Thanks, good to know. I was planning on using the RP mostly for stills, and was planning on buying 2 extra batteries.

Have you tried Wasabi batteries on your M5, or do I need to stick to Canon batteries.

I have tried third party batteries through the years of owning cameras, including the ones for Sony, Lumix and Canon. I always end up buying original spare batteries for reliability especially in either very cold or very warm places I had traveled and plan to travel to.

Canon EOS M3 Canon EOS R Canon EOS RP Canon EOS R6 Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM +10 more

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Ed Wren
• Forum Member • Posts: 97

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

walter g1 wrote:

Noogy wrote:

wootpile wrote:

More than capacity, I had stability issues with some LP-E17 batteries. It would die then after I remove and re-insert, it tells me it still has 30% or so left.

Thanks, good to know. I was planning on using the RP mostly for stills, and was planning on buying 2 extra batteries.

Have you tried Wasabi batteries on your M5, or do I need to stick to Canon batteries.

The problem with LP-E17 batteries, as I’ve gathered from other posts here, is that they’re still not fully decoded for Canon mirrorless models. So, while you might not get the inauthentic battery nag, third-party batteries probably won’t show a correct charge remaining indicator.

But if the RP takes off, I’m sure someone will figure that out eventually.

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OP wootpile
• Contributing Member • Posts: 747

Re: Jared’s 500

walter g1 wrote:

wootpile wrote:

Jared Polin was averaging 500 shots per charge shooting stills only. Not great but doable. Video is going to be the main problem.

He almost never uses the screen for composition. Still, his mention is encouraging. let’s hope his stats are representative of the battery performce. is so, I would be very happy. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

There’s a small benefit here… if this is the same battery that will be in the eosm5II – then it’s a win win

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Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

Noogy wrote:

wootpile wrote:

More than capacity, I had stability issues with some LP-E17 batteries. It would die then after I remove and re-insert, it tells me it still has 30% or so left.

I thought the battery life would be a biggie. EOS R battery lasts quite a while, not quite as good as the new Sony one but perfectly acceptable.

Greg.

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Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

In reply to Ed Wren
• Feb 14, 2019

Ed Wren wrote:

walter g1 wrote:

Noogy wrote:

wootpile wrote:

More than capacity, I had stability issues with some LP-E17 batteries. It would die then after I remove and re-insert, it tells me it still has 30% or so left.

Thanks, good to know. I was planning on using the RP mostly for stills, and was planning on buying 2 extra batteries.

Have you tried Wasabi batteries on your M5, or do I need to stick to Canon batteries.

But if the RP takes off, I’m sure someone will figure that out eventually.

Per Fro’s video the battery is not chipped so it does not give a percentage of charge left (wow never seen that lack on any camera before) and no number of shots left.

EOS R does give a percentage of battery left. I regard that feature is important not trivial.

Greg.

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JRET
• Contributing Member • Posts: 812

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

In reply to wootpile
• Feb 14, 2019

wootpile wrote:

Too soon to know “real life” results but the LPE17 may not be too bad. I always carry spare batteries for each body – just in case. The “gotcha” might be video, but there might be a usable workaround here as well. I think that most of the M bodies have a flap on the battery door allowing access to a “dummy” battery that can be connected to an external power supply via USB or similar. I’ve used this setup on my M1 & M2 for video on a tripod and it works quite well. I can see where it could also be used for portable video with a cable into a small battery pack carried on the belt. Not as convenient as a larger battery but might be a decent workaround.

Here’s a LINK to one of these dummy batteries. Might be a solution.

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(unknown member) • Forum Pro • Posts: 11,521

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

In reply to wootpile
• Feb 14, 2019

wootpile wrote:

this has already been done to death.

turn the camera onto ECO mode, or reduce the battery usage from CIPA and you have well over 500+++ shots per charge.

this isn’t a problem in a modern camera, unless you are shooting tons of video.

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Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

rrccad wrote:

wootpile wrote:

this has already been done to death.

turn the camera onto ECO mode, or reduce the battery usage from CIPA and you have well over 500+++ shots per charge.

this isn’t a problem in a modern camera, unless you are shooting tons of video.

Or long exposures, which consumes battery life almost as much as videos do.

Canon EOS M3 Canon EOS R Canon EOS RP Canon EOS R6 Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM +10 more

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(unknown member) • Forum Pro • Posts: 11,521

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

wootpile wrote:

this has already been done to death.

turn the camera onto ECO mode, or reduce the battery usage from CIPA and you have well over 500+++ shots per charge.

this isn’t a problem in a modern camera, unless you are shooting tons of video.

Or long exposures, which consumes battery life almost as much as videos do.

never really had a problem with that and my M5.. so .. meh.

if you are really into and need something more stable. then you get this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-DR-E17-dc-coupler-usb-cable-fit-5V-2A-power-bank-for-Canon-EOS-M5-EOS-M3-/302168131289

and the problem is over. there are always solutions, it’s whether or not people actually try to look for them.

in the case of the RP, it comes with a USB charge cable that you can use at the same time as your camera.

so the problem is solved even there.

for long exposures, astro,etc you are on a tripod.. having a wire isn’t a problem.

it’s problematic though when you are hand holding obviously.

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Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

rrccad wrote:

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

wootpile wrote:

this has already been done to death.

turn the camera onto ECO mode, or reduce the battery usage from CIPA and you have well over 500+++ shots per charge.

this isn’t a problem in a modern camera, unless you are shooting tons of video.

Or long exposures, which consumes battery life almost as much as videos do.

never really had a problem with that and my M5.. so .. meh.

if you are really into and need something more stable. then you get this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-DR-E17-dc-coupler-usb-cable-fit-5V-2A-power-bank-for-Canon-EOS-M5-EOS-M3-/302168131289

and the problem is over. there are always solutions, it’s whether or not people actually try to look for them.

in the case of the RP, it comes with a USB charge cable that you can use at the same time as your camera.

so the problem is solved even there.

for long exposures, astro,etc you are on a tripod.. having a wire isn’t a problem.

it’s problematic though when you are hand holding obviously.

Will check this out. Yes for my EOS R I use a PD-rated power bank to charge or a PD-rated wall charger.

Canon EOS M3 Canon EOS R Canon EOS RP Canon EOS R6 Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM +10 more

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(unknown member) • Forum Pro • Posts: 11,521

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

wootpile wrote:

this has already been done to death.

turn the camera onto ECO mode, or reduce the battery usage from CIPA and you have well over 500+++ shots per charge.

this isn’t a problem in a modern camera, unless you are shooting tons of video.

Or long exposures, which consumes battery life almost as much as videos do.

never really had a problem with that and my M5.. so .. meh.

if you are really into and need something more stable. then you get this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-DR-E17-dc-coupler-usb-cable-fit-5V-2A-power-bank-for-Canon-EOS-M5-EOS-M3-/302168131289

and the problem is over. there are always solutions, it’s whether or not people actually try to look for them.

in the case of the RP, it comes with a USB charge cable that you can use at the same time as your camera.

so the problem is solved even there.

for long exposures, astro,etc you are on a tripod.. having a wire isn’t a problem.

it’s problematic though when you are hand holding obviously.

Will check this out. Yes for my EOS R I use a PD-rated power bank to charge or a PD-rated wall charger.

I get two things for my batteries.

this, as shown above for long exposures or astro.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-DR-E17-dc-coupler-usb-cable-fit-5V-2A-power-bank-for-Canon-EOS-M5-EOS-M3-/302168131289

I would rather this for long exposure or astro because the battery is not heating up inside the camera!!

and this because I never carry the AC wall plugs for batteries.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2Pcs-LP-E17-Battery-LCD-USB-Dual-Charger-For-Canon-EOS-750D-760D-Kiss-8000D-M3/162920965172?hash=item25eed8a434:m:mfX90uaYXeNQRl0sujVZ-gA:rk:5:pf:1&frcectupt=true

both of them resolve just about any battery problem I have in the field or while travelling, I also have one of these:

Charger

which everything plugs into .. batteries for cameras, phones, tablet,etc.

I just don’t see the problem with any battery solution on any camera to be honest.

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Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

rrccad wrote:

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

wootpile wrote:

this has already been done to death.

turn the camera onto ECO mode, or reduce the battery usage from CIPA and you have well over 500+++ shots per charge.

this isn’t a problem in a modern camera, unless you are shooting tons of video.

Or long exposures, which consumes battery life almost as much as videos do.

never really had a problem with that and my M5.. so .. meh.

if you are really into and need something more stable. then you get this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-DR-E17-dc-coupler-usb-cable-fit-5V-2A-power-bank-for-Canon-EOS-M5-EOS-M3-/302168131289

and the problem is over. there are always solutions, it’s whether or not people actually try to look for them.

in the case of the RP, it comes with a USB charge cable that you can use at the same time as your camera.

so the problem is solved even there.

for long exposures, astro,etc you are on a tripod.. having a wire isn’t a problem.

it’s problematic though when you are hand holding obviously.

Will check this out. Yes for my EOS R I use a PD-rated power bank to charge or a PD-rated wall charger.

I get two things for my batteries.

this, as shown above for long exposures or astro.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-DR-E17-dc-coupler-usb-cable-fit-5V-2A-power-bank-for-Canon-EOS-M5-EOS-M3-/302168131289

I would rather this for long exposure or astro because the battery is not heating up inside the camera!!

and this because I never carry the AC wall plugs for batteries.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2Pcs-LP-E17-Battery-LCD-USB-Dual-Charger-For-Canon-EOS-750D-760D-Kiss-8000D-M3/162920965172?hash=item25eed8a434:m:mfX90uaYXeNQRl0sujVZ-gA:rk:5:pf:1&frcectupt=true

both of them resolve just about any battery problem I have in the field or while travelling, I also have one of these:

Charger

which everything plugs into .. batteries for cameras, phones, tablet,etc.

I just don’t see the problem with any battery solution on any camera to be honest.

I have something similar when I travel to remote places, but not for charging the batteries for my E17! You’ve gotten it figured out Thanks!

Canon EOS M3 Canon EOS R Canon EOS RP Canon EOS R6 Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM +10 more

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(unknown member) • Forum Pro • Posts: 11,521

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

Noogy wrote:

rrccad wrote:

wootpile wrote:

this has already been done to death.

turn the camera onto ECO mode, or reduce the battery usage from CIPA and you have well over 500+++ shots per charge.

this isn’t a problem in a modern camera, unless you are shooting tons of video.

Or long exposures, which consumes battery life almost as much as videos do.

never really had a problem with that and my M5.. so .. meh.

if you are really into and need something more stable. then you get this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-DR-E17-dc-coupler-usb-cable-fit-5V-2A-power-bank-for-Canon-EOS-M5-EOS-M3-/302168131289

and the problem is over. there are always solutions, it’s whether or not people actually try to look for them.

in the case of the RP, it comes with a USB charge cable that you can use at the same time as your camera.

so the problem is solved even there.

for long exposures, astro,etc you are on a tripod.. having a wire isn’t a problem.

it’s problematic though when you are hand holding obviously.

Will check this out. Yes for my EOS R I use a PD-rated power bank to charge or a PD-rated wall charger.

I get two things for my batteries.

this, as shown above for long exposures or astro.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-DR-E17-dc-coupler-usb-cable-fit-5V-2A-power-bank-for-Canon-EOS-M5-EOS-M3-/302168131289

I would rather this for long exposure or astro because the battery is not heating up inside the camera!!

and this because I never carry the AC wall plugs for batteries.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2Pcs-LP-E17-Battery-LCD-USB-Dual-Charger-For-Canon-EOS-750D-760D-Kiss-8000D-M3/162920965172?hash=item25eed8a434:m:mfX90uaYXeNQRl0sujVZ-gA:rk:5:pf:1&frcectupt=true

both of them resolve just about any battery problem I have in the field or while travelling, I also have one of these:

Charger

which everything plugs into .. batteries for cameras, phones, tablet,etc.

I just don’t see the problem with any battery solution on any camera to be honest.

I have something similar when I travel to remote places, but not for charging the batteries for my E17! You’ve gotten it figured out Thanks!

the reason everything plugs into the RAV power is then you only have to worry about one plug to convert if it’s international power, instead of them all. and since it has a long cord you don’t have to worry about awkward plug placement in the hotel room,etc.

I traveled for 4 continuous years through central and south america. I got used of optimization

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J A C S
• Forum Pro • Posts: 20,415

Re: The true RP cripple – battery LPE 17

In reply to wootpile
• Feb 14, 2019

Could be a problem with longer stabilized lenses especially if the IS is active all the time.

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